The Terms of Reference of the five member Shri Justice B.N. Srikrishna Committee constituted on 3rd February, 2010 will be the following:-
(1) To examine the situation in the State of Andhra Pradesh with reference to the demand for a separate State of Telangana as well as the demand for maintaining the present status of a united Andhra Pradesh.
(2) To review the developments in the State since its formation and their impact on the progress and development of the different regions of the State.
(3) To examine the impact of the recent developments in the State on the different sections of the people such as women, children, students, minorities, other backward classes, scheduled castes and scheduled tribes.
(4) To identify the key issues that must be addressed while considering the matters mentioned in items (1), (2) and (3) above.
(5) To consult all sections of the people, especially the political parties, on the aforesaid matters and elicit their views; to seek from the political parties and other organisations a range of solutions that would resolve the present difficult situation and promote the welfare of all sections of the people; to identify the optimal solutions for this purpose; and to recommend a plan of action and a road map.
(6) To consult other organisations of civil society such as industry, trade, trade unions, farmers’ organisations, women’s organisations and students’ organisations on the aforesaid matters and elicit their views with specific reference to the all round development of the different regions of the State.
(7) To make any other suggestion or recommendation that the Committee may deem appropriate.
The Committee is requested to submit its report by December 31, 2010.
At last , some sanity prevailed at centre. There is still hope for this country. Terms of reference are apt to solve this problem once and for all. Let the commission decide how much development happened all over AP and who benefited from the merger. By talking with all the stake holders this commission can arrive at a decision. If this commission decides that Andhras willfully exploited Telangana ,by looking at all the statistics then i feel majority of Andhras will accept separation.
ReplyDeleteHi Sujai,
ReplyDeletePlease check if chidambaram has used word "Telangana", news paper report that its either separate state or united andhra. We are not sure separate state is telangana alone or combined with some other region as well. Telangnites may be cheated once again with diplomatic words & confused decisions.
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ReplyDeleteThe committee is just for to buy more time and the findings for academic study.
ReplyDeleteThere is no mention anywhere about what happens after the study? The committee has no powers to order the separation. Even if the committee recommends a separation, it will be the congress which gets to call the final shot. But since this committee is heavily influenced by the congress party, the final findings will tilt according to the party wishes.
So what happens when the committee says on 31st dec 2010, that separation is not in the best interest?
For starters, the telangana side will have nothing to argue about since the findings will challenge them. Then if the telangana side accuses the committee on charges of conspiracy or partiality, the accusations will be shrugged off as "whining".
I have said this before. The entire set of balls are kept safe in there court. You playing there games, there rules and the outcomes are also "there's".
Seriously, you need diplomats.
This is another cheap tactic by to suppress Telangana agitation.
ReplyDeleteCommittee should be looking into find the solutions for Hyderabad and resource sharing issues for forming Telangana.
But the current terms of reference and the duration are really cunning.
Glad to these people protesting the ToR. There protesting because it doesn't out-rightly proceed to separation but they should be supported non-the-less. You either reject this committee now or you'll find yourself wondering why didn't reject it on 31st dec, 2010.
ReplyDeletehttp://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/TRS-MPs-to-resign-over-ToR-of-Telangana-panel/articleshow/5564074.cms
Sujai made the right assessment when he said the andhra's ape whatever telangana does. So if TRS rejects it, the andhra's will do the exact.
ReplyDeleteWhy r u guys afraid.
ReplyDeleteYou have been shouting all these days that andhra's 'robbed' you of water, coal, jobs etc. Let the commission bring out the data. Then you go to town and demand separation.
Or r u afraid that what u have been stating all these days is false?
haha ,all telangana fanatics are in a twist now , if they take their cooked up ,twisted stats before Sri Krishna ,he will see through their lies. Let the truth come out on how andhras supposedly "stole" your "water ,jobs ,resources etc". What will you do when the commission says Telangana got its due share of development ?
ReplyDeleteOh ,i forgot you guys already have a answer : Telangana is not about development but about self respect ,self rule etc
@ Anuj
ReplyDelete//Seriously, you need diplomats.//
Are you forgetting your greatest diplomat K C R !!! Once he starts speaking in his style before the commission , the commission will have no choice but to recommend Telangana
@Sujai,
ReplyDeleteSir, I have been talking about
a representation in the formal sense all along.
Political representation is an absolute must,under these circumstances.
Why are we not doing anything about it?
It gives all the rats(pots)
a chance to call the kettle
black.
Must we wait for another Jallianwala Bagh kind of an incident.
31st OF DECEMBER 2010............
ANOTHER 13th APRIL 1919...
Lavanya:
ReplyDeletePlease write to me my personal e-mail id what you have in mind.
Thanks.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteDo you have trouble understanding when we say that the telangana movement is not a politicians movement?
Has KCR mesmerized you andhra's so much that you talk about every chance you get and eagerly proceed to suck his d!ck? Get lost you moron. You have nothing to contribute beside the rants you make in order to calm your uneasiness.
@ Anuj
ReplyDeleteThe language you use shows your culture. I am not a moron but you are a TORON.
@ Lavanya
ReplyDelete//Must we wait for another Jallianwala Bagh kind of an incident.//
That kind of statement has credibility only if you are willing to be personally part of 'Jalianwala'. Otherwise it is called rhetoric.
@reality
ReplyDeleteWould you still come back here if the admin deleted all your posts from this blog? All you arguments which took you hours to put down will be gone in a few seconds. People will never know you existed.
How would you feel then? All your posts gone...
@ Anuj
ReplyDeleteHaha ,you are not the admin buddy . Admin didnt even respond to your 'Lets do violence , i am expert in how to use violence effectively' .Dont think too much of yourself.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteHow would you feel if i write to the admin personally and ask him to remove all your posts. How would you feel then? Would that end your misery?
@ Anuj
ReplyDelete//How would you feel if i write to the admin personally and ask him to remove all your posts. How would you feel then? Would that end your misery?//
Lol ,i am shivering in my pants. Please write to admin whatever you want to write, its your choice.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteSujai and many of others expressed many times here.
If Govt. conduct referendum in Telangana and prove that most of the Telangana people do not want Telangana then this movement will die.
Same way if our Govt. publish 'white papers about the claims' long back then atleast one of the movement should have been died, either it is Telangana or United Andhra.
Like how you are confident about the 'commission will brought the real truth' will be your favor, telangana people are also much confident that your tactics will not work infront of commission and report will be our favor.
The same way how you feel that this commission will put Telangana movement in cold storage, we feel the same way that this commission will put United Andhra Band in cold storage.
No need to argue about whos favor the commission is going to deliver those reports.
Again, Congress central did the analysis about the need of Telangana state before delivering the Dec-9 statement but not because of KCR hunger strike. If they have thought that Telangana movement is not genuine then they wouldn't have given such statement.
It is our first victory by making Congress to stepped down from its long stand about not creating new states.
Why don't you think that they put this commission to cool down the United Andhra and stand on there promise? May be central thought that the truth is favor to Telangana and by showing the report to United Andhra band, UnitedAndhra has no choice but sit tight?
History only proves that how many times you caught stealing jobs/funds.
You need to understand one more thing. May be Rayalaseema has backward districts, but commission will not compare it with Maheboobnagar, where Maheboobnagar has plenty of water resources and never able to utilize it.
May be Medak district has more number of graduates than one average district in Andhra, but Commission wouldn't compare the number of graduates but they do compare the funds allocated to each district and felicities in schools.
Finally the way how you are confident about your win, we too so much confident about our win.
You keep dreaming about your win and good luck and let us do the same.
read this page. there people discussing about the telangana committie
ReplyDeletehttp://broadbandforum.in/politics/55726-small-states-big-states-telangana-could-new-state/9/
Green Star
ReplyDelete"If Govt. conduct referendum in Telangana and prove that most of the Telangana people do not want Telangana then this movement will die."
Telangana will, should and must and may form WITHOUT Hyderabad.
Seperate state is a non issue. We know that all people of Telangana want Telangana state.
The fight is not against Telangana state. The fight is against Telangana people grabbing Hyderabad which was Andhra peoples capital.
Keep this in mind and this is why all andhra and rayalaseema people are fighting for and nothing else.
We love to give you Telangana in a silver plate WITHOUT Hyderabad.
@Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteThe fight is not against Telangana state. The fight is against Telangana people grabbing Hyderabad which was Andhra peoples capital.
Telangana will better off without Andhra with or without Hyderabad.
FYI
Hyderabad is the capital of Andhra Pradesh, was capital of Hyderabad state under Indian government and also under Nizam.
It was never a capital of only andhra peoples like you say. Kurnool was capital of andhra state and Madras was capital of andhra peoples when you guys lived with them.
It is funny that your concern is only Hyderabad ( which is in the middle of Telangana region), but atleast you agree that Telangana has to be formed. I do feel like Telangana should be formed with or without Hyderabad. Who knows you guys will claim that whole Telangana region is developed by you guys. If you really had the guts you guys could have fought for Madras, which was in a way between andhra and tamilnadu unlike Hyderabad, but you couldn't, losers and now claim that you can develop the whole world and claim it is your. Perfect example of expansionist imperialism.
"Hyderabad is the capital of Andhra Pradesh, was capital of Hyderabad state under Indian government and also under Nizam.
ReplyDeleteIt was never a capital of only andhra peoples like you say."
I did not say State capital belongs to only Andhras.
It was state capital for Andhra,Telangana, and Seema people.
So lets divide(resources and taxes) it too when the state is getting divided.
@Reality
ReplyDeleteIf this commission decides that Andhras willfully exploited Telangana ,by looking at all the statistics then i feel majority of Andhras will accept separation.
Andhras will not accept anything that is fair. I am pretty sure that this committe will definitely come out with the report that favors Telanganas argument but will propose another formula instead of proposing a state. As usual the "Andhra coterie" will protest and get it annuled.
Nalamotu of my telugu roots is Telangana native.
ReplyDeleteplease check this
http://www.myteluguroots.com/about.html
@ Green star
ReplyDeleteYou don't seem to understand how a commission would evaluate development issue. It should have to consider what was the development prior to 1956. Which regions were backward then ? Is the development in Telangana less than national average ,average of AP ? Even if the commission finds Telangana is really backward ,it should establish whether Telangana was willfully neglected , did it get its share in allocation of resources ? Are there any issues specific or more relevant to Telangana like Dora social system ,naxalism , soil nature , costly lift irrigation ?
Also best of all ,commission wouldnt start with the bias of "Andhra colonizers, Andhra cheats " etc.
@anonymous,
ReplyDeleteYou do make some sense now, but you must agree that eventually hyderabad will be capital of Telangana state as it is geographically in middle of Telangana. Let's say the capital was vijayawada or suryapet or bhadhrachalam, then it would have been a different matter.I wish you guys could have made the same argument when Andhra state was carved out of Madras state.
@anonymous,
ReplyDeleteNalamotu of my telugu roots is Telangana native
He is citizen of USA. He was probably born in Telangana there and has nothing to do with Telangana.
By the way Harsha kumar, MLA from Amalapuram is real Andhra native.
@ Vinay
ReplyDelete//If you really had the guts you guys could have fought for Madras, which was in a way between andhra and tamilnadu unlike Hyderabad, but you couldn't, losers and now claim that you can develop the whole world and claim it is your.//
If we had fought a extremist fight for Madras ,this country would have broken up even before it could have celebrated its 10th birthday.
You are calling Andhras as loosers. Do you know that the rest of country thinks of Telanganites as super loosers and naxals who cannot compete with andhras and cannot get jobs in a developed state like AP .
@Anonymous
ReplyDelete//The fight is not against Telangana state. The fight is against Telangana people grabbing Hyderabad which was Andhra peoples capital.//
When did hyderabad become andhra capital? Your have again proven your stupidity.
if the fight is for hyderabad, why dont u people accept it in the open..This is classic example of andhra attitude.
@ Vinay
ReplyDelete//He is citizen of USA. He was probably born in Telangana there and has nothing to do with Telangana. //
Yeah , but all those Telangana NRIs fighting for Telangana have something to do with Telangana isn't it !!
@Reality,
ReplyDeleteIf we had fought a extremist fight for Madras ,this country would have broken up even before it could have celebrated its 10th birthday.
You are definitely capable of that. I think Andhra guys are big losers because they always cling to Hyderabad and cannot develop their own capital city. I don't know if anybody can compete with cheaters. Cheaters always win the competition. I should heartily congratulate Tamil guys for getting rid of you cheaters.
@Reality,
ReplyDeleteYeah , but all those Telangana NRIs fighting for Telangana have something to do with Telangana isn't it !!
I don't support such a behaviuor anyway. If you are settled in a different country and become a citizen, be loyal to the place and the country you live in. All they have to do is preserve their culture and identity in foreign land.
To Anonymous at Feb 12, 2010 10:19 PM,
ReplyDeletePlease give yourself a name before talking about the telugu roots. That guy Nalamotu I beleive is a settler from Andhra. He says his Grandfather owns lands in Nalgonda district, but he never mentioned that his fore fathers before that were from Nalgonda region.
When the Nagarjuna sagar reservoir was built Andhra settlers brought 2 lakh acres of lands near the future nagarjuna left sagar canal. These are the people who benifited from whatever little irrigation benifits that telangana got from Nagarjuna Sagar project. I am pretty sure this guy nalamotu family is one among them.
If this guys statistics on the page are true then why dont the AP govt release it in Assembly or media ? If you are so confidant of this guys statistics you would have not posted this comment as an anonymous. If Nalamotu is confident of his telangana roots, let him disclose his village name and claim that he is not a settler.
Sujai, Green star, Anuj and all other tealanganites..
ReplyDeleteThis maybe out of context in this post. But, i have been thinking of this solution since long time.
Considering the fight is on hyderabad, why not make hyderabad a union territory.. when i say this i only mean hyderabad and not greater hyderabad...(greater hyderabad contains muncipalities like sherlingampally, uppal, gachibowli and other outskirts.
there are multipal advantages of this.
1. The real intent of andhrites will come out in open, when this will happen, they will have no power on their illegal lands (outer ring road etc)
2. they (andhrites) cant protest this as greater hyderabad was formed only 3-4 years back.
3. Telangana can establish a capital close to hyderabad, infact in greater hyderabad. By doing this telangana will get funds from centre to develop capital (which will only reduce the funds for seemandhra capital)
What say guys, just think about!! I am sure the andhrites will shout at this.
Just saw in TV that Police is searching for OUJAC students, seems police have some info that tom bandh is going to be violent...this is what we all where worrying about !!!
ReplyDeleteWhen rational people like us are frustrated and despair...just imagine what goes through those innocent student minds...hope below report does not become true...
Telangana students may cross over to Maoists
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Telangana-students-may-cross-over-to-Maoists/articleshow/5562968.cms
@Sampath,
ReplyDeleteYour solution makes perfect sense. Knowing what we know that Telangana people don't want to be in United Andhra this will be a good solution to begin with. This will expose Andhra's real issues or intentions.
capital close to hyderabad ( in greater hyderabad) will be accessible to all districts of Telangana. Not that there are other places eligible to be capital of Telangana (like warangal).
This is where the big diff btw Andhra and TG's...TG guys want everything be crystal clear and no false promises...quite a few times we have suggested on this blog to have Gentlemen Agmt 2.0 with Hyd as common capital...break the contract from day one...let Andhra fight for Hyd for 55 years...
ReplyDelete@ Vinay
ReplyDelete//I think Andhra guys are big losers because they always cling to Hyderabad and cannot develop their own capital city. I don't know if anybody can compete with cheaters. Cheaters always win the competition. I should heartily congratulate Tamil guys for getting rid of you cheaters.//
Andhras can't develop capitals. Who do you think made Hyd what it is today ? It was investments from Andhra and taxes from entire AP. Telangana people are not only cheaters ,but also lazy and drunkards.
If you don't stop calling Andhras bad names , we would do the same for you guys.
Also a bit of history lesson for you. Andhra has been paying taxes for Hyd since 400 years . First 200 years directly to Nizam , then next 200 years indirectly by the lease fees paid by british (collected from andhra taxes) to Nizam. So the only period when we didnt pay taxes which went to Hyd is 1948-1956.
why not make hyderabad a union territory
ReplyDeleteWhen they say hyderabad, they mean the whole crop.
I have been thinking about this and UT is what the andhra's would want. Geographically the region is not within border limits and that creates a lot of problems for them. Even if you make hyd as andhra's capital, they will not agree in the long term as they will feel vulnerable to travel back and forth because they know there cheating and they sense attacks are a possibility.
The other more likely possibility is compensation. You also need to accept the fact that most andhra businesses will leave telangana after the separation. If your lucky a few universities and training institutes might stay but once it hits, most will leave. This is where you need to start all over again. You will need to share your new house with the muslims and they'll ponder you for reservations. The andhra's had a lot of clout with them and they kept the muslims in there place but i cannot say the same for telangana's who have a history of getting dominated by others.
Logically speaking, i sense a lot of infighting after the separation. That is your business and how you deal with it your problem. You have a generation which is not up to the mark. Who dominate the health industry in telangana? the education industry? the administration houses? andhra's or telangana's? If the tutors of these places are andhra's then they'll most probably be shifting to andhra. How do you reckon you'll fill the void that will be left? It's not going to be easy.
@Reality,
ReplyDeleteAlso a bit of history lesson for you. Andhra has been paying taxes for Hyd since 400 years . First 200 years directly to Nizam , then next 200 years indirectly by the lease fees paid by british (collected from andhra taxes) to Nizam. So the only period when we didnt pay taxes which went to Hyd is 1948-1956.
So if you think you paid so much of your tax money to Hyderabad, Madras state, Nawab of Junagadh, etc, . You fed the whole of India, so that makes you think you own all these places.
Cheaters do more harm to society than drunkards or lazy people.
@Realty
ReplyDeleteSomewhere i have read this, "if telanaganites are drunkeds, then andhrites visit brothels..peddapuram and chilakaloorpeta are examples
@Reality
ReplyDeleteAlso a bit of history lesson for you. Andhra has been paying taxes for Hyd since 400 years . First 200 years directly to Nizam , then next 200 years indirectly by the lease fees paid by british (collected from andhra taxes) to Nizam. So the only period when we didnt pay taxes which went to Hyd is 1948-1956
If you have been feeding the lazy nd drunk Telanganas for so long why do you still want to lose money by being in the combined state. Let them have their state and you will save all that money.
//If you have been feeding the lazy nd drunk Telanganas for so long why do you still want to lose money by being in the combined state. Let them have their state and you will save all that money.//
ReplyDeleteSure , we want to get rid of you lazy drunkards , thats why we are okay with Telangana state which does not include Hyd
@ Sampath
ReplyDelete//Somewhere i have read this, "if telanaganites are drunkeds, then andhrites visit brothels..peddapuram and chilakaloorpeta are examples//
Why don't you come back when you have your own opinion or insults,instead of saying i read this somewhere
Sampath
ReplyDeleteI have seen a video on sakshi where it reported on a entire village turned into prostitution....and this jewel belongs to Telangana....
i was wondering what this naxal boys dont have fun....but i was wrong...sorry.
And every one knows what the people first think about when you say Chilakaloori peta, Rajamundry...hehehehehe......
ReplyDelete@ Green star
ReplyDelete//And every one knows what the people first think about when you say Chilakaloori peta, Rajamundry...hehehehehe......//
Atleast those sex workers try to get by working hard unlike many in Telangana who are lazy and drunk but keep on whining how andhras are stealing their jobs
@45, Reality:
ReplyDeleteSure , we want to get rid of you lazy drunkards , thats why we are okay with Telangana state which does not include Hyd
What are you going to do if you get Hyderabad? Will you kick out all Telangana people from the city because you want to get rid of lazy drunkards, or do you think that Telanganas living in city are somehow different ilk?
What about Muslims of Hyderabad? Do you want their part of city or do you want to get rid of them as well? It is clear that you don’t have much respect for them – clearly demonstrated from your low opinion of Telangana language and history that has influences from Muslims.
What about the Greater Hyderabad, the lands and people of Telangana that were added to the city in the recent times? Do you want to exclude those parts from your Hyderabad city? Or do you wish to kick out Telangana people from those regions as well?
I am quite OK with giving up Hyderabad to Andhras provided Andhras spell out how that transition is going to happen.
@Anonymous
ReplyDeleteI am not here to insult anyone, i just wanted to remind you before you say something, think of it consequences. Things should not comeback.. so excise restraint.
@Realty,
Branding does work. whole india knows about peddapuram and chilkalorupeta. They make good case study for supply chain analysis.
@Realty
ReplyDeleteYou miss the point again. Its not about sex workers, its about people who visit these places.
First they start with Naxals, once they learned that most of the naxal effected districts are in there land then started dora/dalit etc, once they realized that dalits are more abused in there land now drunkard/prostitution etc. Again it is also proved that they rule the world in that.
ReplyDeleteOne man may loose his mind and talk nonsense, unrelated matters when he is on death bed(before dying). just like our United Andhra Band.
Sujai and others:
ReplyDeleteHow do you foresee coming days/weeks/months in TG dists and especially in Hyd in-view or in course of SriKrisha committee discussions...today TG villagers attacked or mobbed Sridhar babu and to some extent even Jana Reddy...would students, employees and villagers will exhibit same patience to carry fwd agitations peacefully ?
When 53 days staged agitation checkmated 55 years old demand...how can one expect justice in democratic means ?
When Andhra MLA's changed their stand overnight what is the guarantee or assurance that they'll accept SK committee recommendations ?
@Anand
ReplyDeleteThey don't accept Gentlemen Agreement,
They don't accept Six Point Formula
They don't accept GO610
They don't accept Girglani commission report
They don't accept fair share of funds
They don't accept fair share of water
They don't accept we are equal to them
They don't accept the SK commission
They don't accept the separation
They don't accept anything for Telangana
Guys!!
ReplyDeleteMy guess is that srikrishna commitee will propose new state of telanagana, reasons being congress just cant go back on dec 9th statement. The opossition will screw them of announcing ans making a sensitive decision without prior study. hence to save face congress will have form telangana. They only wanted to do it after consulting everyone. Telangnites might have to compramise on hyderabad. the the only solution i see vialble.
@ Sujai
ReplyDelete//What are you going to do if you get Hyderabad? Will you kick out all Telangana people from the city because you want to get rid of lazy drunkards, or do you think that Telanganas living in city are somehow different ilk?//
Like I said before ,both Telangana and Andhra have rights over Hyd .So either it must be common capital or UT. UT with revenue share going to both Telangana and Hyd looks more practical.
We are not in the business of kicking people out of any region. People can be as lazy they choose to be , they can drink as much as they want to .We dont care as long as they dont cause us any trouble.
//What about Muslims of Hyderabad?//
I will say this much about Hyd muslims. They work hard for their living .It is only the lack of education and the ghetto mentality of their leaders that is stopping their progress. Once again we want entire Hyd to be made as UT ,we dont want any part for andhra.
//I am quite OK with giving up Hyderabad to Andhras provided Andhras spell out how that transition is going to happen.//
This is how it is going to happen. Greater Hyd with its present boundaries will be made as UT. Revenue share will go to A,T and Centre ,Hyd.
Why don't we make India class cities HYD, Vijayawada and Vizag as UT and share the revenue?
ReplyDeleteజస్టిస్ శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ విధివిధానాలను సీమాంధ్రనేత, కేంద్ర ఉక్కుశాఖ సహాయమంత్రి ఎ.సాయిప్రతాప్ స్వాగతించారు. కమిటీ రాష్ట్ర విభజనకు సిఫార్సు చేస్తే గ్రేటర్ రాయలసీమను కూడా ఏర్పాటు చేయాలని డిమాండ్ చేశారు.
Seema do not want to be bullied by Andhra after the saperation. Heheheh...wise decision. So who is next to quit, Uttarandra? heheheh...heheh...hhahahaah.....
@Realty
ReplyDelete//This is how it is going to happen. Greater Hyd with its present boundaries will be made as UT. Revenue share will go to A,T and Centre ,Hyd.//
Why greater hyderabad, can you explain the logic of having greater hyderabad. greater hyderabad consists of larger parts of rangareddy districts. how can andhra claim this...
//This is how it is going to happen. Greater Hyd with its present boundaries will be made as UT. Revenue share will go to A,T and Centre ,Hyd.//
ReplyDeleteOur place is around 60km from center of HYD, but all the way from HYD to our town the highway is full of random shops, I didn't see any jungle like place, so practically our town is also in touch with HYD (no gap between hyd and our town). I think Andhra is going to demand to make the HYD around area till it see some disconnection, so my town will also go into UT. heheheh...
@ Sampath
ReplyDelete//Why greater hyderabad, can you explain the logic of having greater hyderabad. greater hyderabad consists of larger parts of rangareddy districts. how can andhra claim this...//
Those mandals from RR,medak are already part of GHMC. The voters in that area are already voting in Hyd elections. It means that they are part of Hyd. In fact Centre may ask for some extra mandals for future use in case it decides to make Hyd as UT.
//In fact Centre may ask for some extra mandals for future use in case it decides to make Hyd as UT. //
ReplyDeleteLets demand to make whole AP as UT, so we do not have to discuss again and again when ever center ask for few more mandals for UT.
//Lets demand to make whole AP as UT, so we do not have to discuss again and again when ever center ask for few more mandals for UT.//
ReplyDeleteSo , what did you guys think when you demanded a separate state ? It is a open and shut case without any complications. It is a complex issue with no easy way out.
Anyway Telangana would be getting a revenue share in this model of UT. So centre may negotiate the revenue share based on extra mandals Telangana is willing to give up for Hyd UT.
@57, Reality:
ReplyDeleteIn comment #45, you said:
Sure , we want to get rid of you lazy drunkards , thats why we are okay with Telangana state which does not include Hyd
But in the comment #57, you say:
…both Telangana and Andhra have rights over Hyd… We are not in the business of kicking people out of any region.
So which of the statement is true? We see contradicting messages in these two comments.
Some of us are quite naïve in Telangana. You see, most Andhra leaders conveniently change color and keep changing their words and breaking their promises. People of Telangana don’t seem to understand Andhra leaders very well. We don’t know which of their promises are serious and which are not. You have to help us understand you better here.
Therefore, please tell us what you plan to do with people of Telangana in Hyderabad – do you want to get rid of us as in comment #45, or do you want to live with us as in comment #57.
And what is your basis for wanting only Hyderabad and not other places in Telangana where many Andhras live?
Why are you not asking for other regions of Telangana to be part of UT?
Why are you not asking other cities and towns of Telangana because you have paid your taxes that contributed to building them?
Also, why do you think anyone in Hyderabad will seek UT status? Do they really know what UT means? Are they just thinking of it an escape route? Do you really think Owaisi will actually seek UT if he really knows what it means? It will be ruled directly by the President with no elected leaders. What will Owaisi do then?
Greater Hyd with its present boundaries will be made as UT.
Why should region that was contributed by Telangana be given to UT of Hyderabad? If the premise for converting Hyderabad into UT is the fact that Andhras have contributed to taxes and investments that build this city, why should Greater Hyderabad which has not reaped any benefits of those taxes or investment be given to UT, when actually the funds from sale of those lands in Greater Hyderabad were used up the entire state (and mostly by Andhras as Telanganas allege)? Shouldn’t the regions of Greater Hyderabad be given back to Telangana people along with the funds that were obtained by the state?
Revenue share will go to A,T and Centre ,Hyd.
Why should the revenues from UT go to two different states? Is Hyderabad going to be a joint capital city or is it going to be a UT whereas the two new states will have their own capital cities? What if Telangana do not want to have their capital in Hyderabad?
I will answer few of them on the behalf of Reailty
ReplyDelete//So which of the statement is true?//
Didn't KCR said 'Andhra Bagho'? Why don't you condem that first?
//And what is your basis for wanting only Hyderabad//
Because we build HYD with our sweat and tax money.
//Do you really think Owaisi will actually seek UT if he really knows what it means?//
If we accept for saperate telangana then Owaisi should accept for HYD as UT.
//Why should region that was contributed by Telangana be given to UT of Hyderabad?//
Because you want saperate Telangana, this is only way to get your telangana.
/Why should the revenues from UT go to two different states?//
This is only way to get your telangana. We wont share our revienew from vijayawada or vizag.
//What if Telangana do not want to have their capital in Hyderabad? //
Then what is your problem? give us the HYD.
//So , what did you guys think when you demanded a separate state ?//
ReplyDeleteIt is not that complecated to create a case. I will tell you why it is became complicated.
Congress cant make up its mind as long as you make mess, because they fear loosing Andhra region from there vote bank. If congress toying with the issue long time and you guys keep making it so much complecated, then in next BJP rule, Andhar will loose misrabully because the first thing BJP do is carving the Telangana as there is not CBN now to stop them, in such situation Andhra don't get the HYD and they don't get a good package. So you guys better of starting working constructively.
Congress Govt only listen to your Samaykandra Band, but BJP don't care. By the way BJP has a good experience of creating new states eventhough part of the state oppose that.
So you dicide whether to work it out in Cong govt or you want to wait till BJP comes into power.
Telangana state will be formed with Hyderabad as capital. Todays news is not encouraging. Democracy is put to shame in India. The indian govt cannot listen to the 55 year old demand but it listens to the 53 days old counter agitation.
ReplyDeleteLets continue our agitation and start Non cooperation or lets explore other peacefull and powerful ways to show our protest.
Sampath lets not loose our confidence, why do we have to declare hyderabad as UT ? Hyderbad manade, Warangal manade, Badrachalam manade. We will not give up even a small village in Telangana. I beleive our telangana movement is going in right direction. Every anti telangana move is only strengthening the telangana movement.
Jai Telangana.
@ Sujai
ReplyDelete//So which of the statement is true? We see contradicting messages in these two comments.
please tell us what you plan to do with people of Telangana in Hyderabad – do you want to get rid of us as in comment #45, or do you want to live with us as in comment #57//
See ,when telangana separates from AP , we are automatically rid of majority of Telanganites. In Hyd UT Telangana people can continue to stay . It will be upto centre to keep all the people of Hyd UT safe.
//Also, why do you think anyone in Hyderabad will seek UT status? //
Oh, all andhra settlers in Hyd seek UT status for Hyd. Like you told before, constitution vested power in center to create states and UTs to prevent majority from stomping on minority. Minority Andhras will be protected by center.
//why should Greater Hyderabad which has not reaped any benefits of those taxes or investment be given to UT, when actually the funds from sale of those lands in Greater Hyderabad were used up the entire state//
Greater hyd reaped max benefit from developments in Hyd . Otherwise how had lands which were less than 10 lac per acre grew 10 cr per acre. Anyway ask ppl in greater hyd whether they would prefer to be in Hyd UT or Telangana state.
//Why should the revenues from UT go to two different states? Is Hyderabad going to be a joint capital city or is it going to be a UT whereas the two new states will have their own capital cities? What if Telangana do not want to have their capital in Hyderabad?//
This Hyd UT model would be a completely new model. Andhra needs to develop its own capital. It is upto Telangana to use Hyd UT as capital or go for a new city.
//Why are you not asking for other regions of Telangana to be part of UT?
Why are you not asking other cities and towns of Telangana because you have paid your taxes that contributed to building them?//
I would prefer a united AP . Since you guys wont accept that we have to take measures to protect our financial interests and settlers. There has to be a compromise somewhere.Making Hyd as UT protects our max fin interests and almost half of our settlers. We are settling for this compromise.
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ReplyDeleteSujai, dont waste our valuable time replying to Reality. Her discussions are always non conclusive and idiotic. She never address the solution with a logical reason.
ReplyDeleteThough i should appreciate her time in responding the posts.
Sujai, just think about the solutions dont just argue with the same arguments. Especially reality i have been seeing her comments from days. She is here just for arguing not for finding solution. You clearly mentioned about the goal of this forum still she keeps on blabbering.
So what you guys think our next move should be
@ Green star
ReplyDelete//then in next BJP rule, Andhar will loose misrabully because the first thing BJP do is carving the Telangana as there is not CBN now to stop them, in such situation Andhra don't get the HYD and they don't get a good package.//
Oh ,showing us the BJP boogie now. We are playing for high stakes here, we can't compromise for cheap package. If events play out like you described , we have a ace up our sleeve. We will andhraize KG basin which is presently a national resource. In this process we will use Telangana tactics to scare centre.
There is this perception among andhras that they developed Hyderabad. They don't seem to see anything around hyderabad. They don't even know how many settled in other districts of Telangana. The only development they have done is for themselves and their kith and kin in andhra by getting them all kinds of jobs for their andhra folks. They have not created any jobs for local people of Hyderabad since merger. If they have developed Hyderabad, Hyderabad would not have so many settlers. There would have been more diversified version of Hyderabad than what we see now. Andhras claiming to have developed Hyderabad is a big lie and myth. There is no factual basis for this argument. Starting a company on a cheap land and hiring non-local people is not considered developing a place.
ReplyDeleteRajendra:
ReplyDeleteAdvice taken.
We have to think of the next course of action. The most important thing to do is take control of the agitations and channel them in a constructive way. My biggest fear is not that it will wane down but that it will turn ugly.
We have to educate our young people to have patience.
@ Rajendra
ReplyDeleteI am a he, not a she.
//We will andhraize KG basin which is presently a national resource. In this process we will use Telangana tactics to scare centre. //
ReplyDeleteIf cong will play like this till elections, I wish in next elections BJP will come into power with full majority and form the Telangana. That time Andhra don't even have a time to make demands or protest. BJP will simply rule out saying if you like burn yourself by destroying your own property.
I am sure every one in Andhra blame there leaders for there wrong strategy but they can not do anything except sit like mums.
And if you want to physically fight central(like occupying KG basin) then Andhra will go back to 1953 and BJP will join them to Madras so that they will take care of Andhra. heheheh.....hahaha....
I wish I see such situation.
But the BJP case can not be ruled out. BJP is always on there word, and they don't mind creating state even thought Andhra objects. See the case of Jarkhand etc. Laloo was never accepted.
vinay:
ReplyDeleteWhat do we do? We have argued on this forum in many discussions why a claim on a city citing the reasons of contributing towards it by taxes or investments does not make a case. Yet, the reality is that most Andhras seem to believe they are being cheated because of Telangana Movement. They don't see it as a genuine people's movement. They see it as an artificial creation by some petty politicians.
No matter how much we argue, the Andhra leaders will continue to lobby against us and ensure this movement is ruthlessly suppressed.
We are not able to reason with them.
Sorry reality , I thought you re she based on Ur arguments.My apologies.
ReplyDeleteSujai, Now there is good chance that this movement will turn into violent.
Andhra leaders definitely try to provoke the students like Nani did in adhurs case. We must educate the students and ask them to go for strict non co operation movement.
@Vamshi
ReplyDeleteI am not loosing hope of hyderabad. I very well know that hyderbad does not work without telangana. actually now also hyd cant work without telangana.
The drinking water to hyderabad comes from singur aimed at providing water for nizamabad and medak. Even in future if hyd grows it has to depend on telangana for water and other important things.. just saying it a UT without considering basic facts of sustainability is useless.
I am only suggested UT to see the response of andhra,s they would never accept greater hyderabad also.This has been proved by realty also
@Realty
ReplyDelete//Those mandals from RR,medak are already part of GHMC. The voters in that area are already voting in Hyd elections. It means that they are part of Hyd. In fact Centre may ask for some extra mandals for future use in case it decides to make Hyd as UT.//
going by this logic, hyderabad is itself in telangana. then hyd should be tealnagana. please make a case which is sensible. No way greater heyderabad can be a UT
I agree with Rajendra. Andhrites are hijacking this forum by drawing us into meaningless conversations. No matter how hard you try they will not be convinced about telangana peoples sentiment.
ReplyDeleteHere are my suggestions for non-coperation and ideas to take the movement fwd.
1. Lets request our telangana cable operators to stop airing Sakshi, ETV channels. Telangana people can defentely live without these 2 channels.
2. Requesting TV channels to air messages to the youth asking them not to take up to voilence and not to commit suicides.
3. Stop watching the movies produced and acted by anti telagana people.
"No matter how hard you try they will not be convinced about telangana peoples sentiment."
ReplyDeleteUsually when this happens, it could be because
1. The other side is not willing to listen
2. other side is not intelligent to understand what you are saying
3. you did not present it well
4. your argument is not based on neutral facts or morally right
more...
why can't telangana separatists understand that not everyone believes in looting/colonization or they are really worried about Bhago/jago statements.
you can show me any news link about Bhago/jago, so no use you keep saying about it.
ReplyDeleteAndhraites will not listen even though we show the proofs. See following about looting telangana funds and jobs.
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_17_2.html
Flash news, Yerram Naidu's yesterday night statement. He is urging the Govt and Andhraites to loot as much as possible before this Dec-31. This is proving again about there looting.
green star,
ReplyDeletethanks for the links.
Another link showing that Andhra did store funds from Tellngana before 1969
ReplyDeletehttp://www.andhrajyothy.com/editshow.asp?qry=/2008/feb/12edit3
Sujai,
ReplyDeleteOnly way this movement can move forward is by intensifying the movement such that the centre understand that there would be no peace unless they understand that nothing less than Telangana would be acceptable. Another more challenging thing is unifying people irrespective of their political affiliations to selflessly involve in the movement. Especially the people should force politicians to make sacrifices sellessly. The events only proved that pressure tactics of Andhra politicians had more effect on the centre than that of Telangana. Centre is expecting that this movement will peter out by Dec 31st. Frankly centre has bowed to andhra pressure and as usual Telanagana movement didn't have any effect.
@vinay
ReplyDeleteCoastal andhra people are like cosmopolotans, they live like local any where in the world, d u know coimbattore industry,dominant in 9 districts of TN and lot of MLAs at TN assembly & Karnataka are andhrites, can u recognise them
It is true everywhere, except in telangana, because u people are from hyderabad country (which is basically slave country) so, u always thought any body comes from outside of "your" country, you brand them as settler, The attitudal problem lies in your mind better correct it immediately
You may want to modify your fillowing sentence
ReplyDelete//....thought any body comes from outside of "your" country, you brand them as settler, The attitudal ....//
as
.......thought any Andhraite comes from outside of "your" country, you brand them as settler, The attitudal .....
By the way when did we said we have problem with settlers? We have problem with those settlers who came here illegally.
?/why do we have to declare hyderabad as UT ? Hyderbad manade, Warangal manade, Badrachalam manade//
ReplyDeleteWhy ask for one third
entire AP manade
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteIf this discussion forum is serious about suggestion on solving the problem-especially hyderbad status (It is main obstacle for creation of T state)
*Make it UT for 20years
* Share the revenue according to regions rights
* Merge the City in telangana after 20 years
* Meanwhile develop capitals at telangana & andhra simultaniously
* It is upto T state to shift capital to hyd or continue the statusquo
//
ReplyDelete*Make it UT for 20years
* Share the revenue according to regions rights
* Merge the City in telangana after 20 years
* Meanwhile develop capitals at telangana & andhra simultaniously
* It is upto T state to shift capital to hyd or continue the statusquo
//
And we have few other demands too when we are sharing the revenue (I took the following from the comment made by telanganaomics)
3.36 lakh crores - for the loss of 5 lakh jobs @ 1.2 lakh/annum for 56 years
14 lakh crores - for using Hyderabad (25,000 crore/year for using Hyd * 56 years)
All the lands grabbed from poor and govt lands, alloted to film nagars, celebrities, Pharma, industries, SEZ and many such idiotic projects would be given back.
Lands belonging to temple, wakf boards which were stolen by Govt - would be returned back.
547 lakh crores for stealing our water resources.
Nationalize the gas reserves found in Andhra, and Andhra has to supply 56% of the gas produced to a new gas-thermal project in Mahaboobnagar for the next 312 years.
Telangana has the right to take water retroactively, that is, the water that was misallocated before, it can take those TMCs out at a later point.
This is just a quick list. Not a comprehensive list! I will do the interest calculations at a later point. The numbers will be far more interesting with interest calculations!
@ Sujai
ReplyDeleteU will never get T state till u people compromise with andhra
that is sure and u didn't have legitamate demand and power to bend the centre unlike Andhra politicians ?
the day of the order is "Compromise" or forget
//power to bend the centre unlike Andhra politicians ?//
ReplyDeleteYour dal cooks only in Cong/UPA govt. Congress is not going to be in the central power all the time. heheheh.....
@Green star
ReplyDeleteCongress will be in the power for next 20 years
There is no challenge to it near future
In any case TG would get separated now or in coming years...now the better...don't be under impression that people of TG will forget the pain and suffering induced upon them from Dec 9th...whatever the suffering in last 5 decades is equal to last two months...only difference is the five decades suffering was known to few TG's but the last two months is KNOWN and WITNESSED by all TG's...be careful brother don't think you have achieved something by a committee...its just a beginning of Andhra rulers downfall...again NONE of TG's would forget the last two months of pain and suffering ...
ReplyDelete@anonymous,
ReplyDeleteIf this discussion forum is serious about suggestion on solving the problem-especially hyderbad status (It is main obstacle for creation of T state)
That is the main problem with the terms of references. It doesn't mention any of the points you state. It also equates Telangana movement with united andhra movement which is ridiculous. I do agree that there needs to be some compromise.
*Make it UT for 20years
* Share the revenue according to regions rights
* Merge the City in telangana after 20 years
* Meanwhile develop capitals at telangana & andhra simultaniously
* It is upto T state to shift capital to hyd or continue the statusquo
@anonymous
ReplyDeleteCoastal andhra people are like cosmopolotans, they live like local any where in the world, d u know coimbattore industry,dominant in 9 districts of TN and lot of MLAs at TN assembly & Karnataka are andhrites, can u recognise them
The above is biggest joke of the century. You have probably not aware of how diverse Telangana unlike andhra where only telugu chauvinists live. They hate hindi like tamilians. I have lived in andhra for eight years. They are no where near cosmopoplitan. They can't assimilate anywhere in the world. They want to dominate everywhere in the world with what they think is right.
I am very happy for tamilnadu, they got rid of you guys and did not even give you madras. Also ask those people in coimbatore if they want to merge with Andhra. I wonder why they don't fight for coimbatore for UT.
Those who feel they are concerned for telugu unity, this is a question for them?
ReplyDelete"IF THE STATE IS NOT DEVIDED ON A CONDITION THAT, HYDERABAD SHOULD NOT BE THE CAPITAL ANY MORE, LET THAT BE SHIFTED TO A NEW LOCATION (with in 50km radius from geographic intersection point of Seema-Andhra-Telangana) AND IN RETURN NO TELANGANA DEMAND FOR NEXT 200 YRS.."
'INSTEAD OF DEMANDING 1 LAC CRORES FOR SEEMA OR TELAGANA SPEACIAL PACKAGE, THIS WILL BE DONE IN 10 TO 20% OF THAT M0NEY"
But - here the true face of so called telugu unity will come out because, the imperialistic (I would call parasite) thinking will shamelessly would say that, their true interest in NOT telugu unity, BUT to exploit telangana in every aspect, and every PLACE (every inch..) IF new capital is made out side/bordering telangana, how can they gradually occupy, Walgnal ,Karimnagar, Adilabad Dist (All other districts are laready lost some land to Greater Hyderbad)
Dear Telangana folks..
ReplyDeleteIgnore these selfish andra guys ( Reality, Anonymous .. ets ).
These bustards are smart assholes they can easily confuse you by diverting the issue.
You can clearly see the favoritism and selfishness in name of the state "Andhra Prades" the word andra. When the state was formed based on the telugu language then the name of the state should be something like "Telugu Pradesh or Telugu Rastra" like we have "karnataka" for kannada people and "Tamil nadu" for tamil speaking people.
We need to just concentrate on how to keep this movement active and educate all our telangana people for non-cooperation movement and Boycotting the andhra products and services.
These andhra bustards "YSR" and "Chandra babu" have to pay the price for playing with Telangana people's sentiment. All the political bustards from andra were OK for Telanga state until 7th Dec 2009.They said if center agrees for Telangana state, we all will respect the decision. Now the same bastards are against telanga. These clearly shows the double stands from this region.
When all MLAS and PMs from andra have double standards then definitely the people representing them from the region will also have double standards.
So guys please ignore these andra bastards(Reality , Anonymous etc) in this blog.
Just focus on the things which will help to bring the telanga state.
Jai Telangana
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